Molotov

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Coin be all like wrote: Ey yo yo bill be all simple and shit, stuff be incompletez.

Why, yes, good sir, but the rules do say:

When a topic proposing legislation is made (bear in mind, this doesn't have to be a full appraisal of a law, merely the basic details), players must specify which house (Senate or House of Representatives) it is being submitted to by using [HOUSE] or [SENATE] as a tag in the topic.

(Emphasis mine) So, ¿just how detailed must the proposals be? I assumed the descriptions I gave were fine, and regarding the committee thing...

Then whoever is in charge of that given chamber (the Speaker of the House of the President of the Senate) will decide which congressional committee has jurisdiction, and the player (if any) with influence over that committee can review the legislation, sit on it, make changes to it, etc.

So really it's up to Gesar to turn it over to Committee should he deem it necessary, ¿no?

OYID wrote:

Coin be all like wrote: Ey yo yo bill be all simple and shit, stuff be incompletez.

Why, yes, good sir, but the rules do say:

When a topic proposing legislation is made (bear in mind, this doesn't have to be a full appraisal of a law, merely the basic details), players must specify which house (Senate or House of Representatives) it is being submitted to by using [HOUSE] or [SENATE] as a tag in the topic.

(Emphasis mine) So, ¿just how detailed must the proposals be? I assumed the descriptions I gave were fine, and regarding the committee thing...

Then whoever is in charge of that given chamber (the Speaker of the House of the President of the Senate) will decide which congressional committee has jurisdiction, and the player (if any) with influence over that committee can review the legislation, sit on it, make changes to it, etc.

So really it's up to Gesar to turn it over to Committee should he deem it necessary, ¿no?

...Yes. It wasn't clear it was a draft, so I figured it was the full motion. My bad. This bit was what got me:

We trust this motion will pass smoothly due to the urgency of the matter.

Since i figured it meant it was legislation straight-up, and I thought that for the House bill too >_> Apologies for the error. Maybe something like [DRAFT] should be mandatory for an initial stage of a bill or something at the end of the title?

Orite, the urgency. My bad. Though I did think this was good to go, it's still up the Gesar, I believe, to put it to a committee should he see fit.

Technically it's a Senate bill, and Gesar is Speaker of the House. The Senate is presided over by the President pro tempore (which you guys haven't chosen yet) ooooorrr the President of the Senate. Also known aaassss... The Vice President.

Question for you guys about legislation deadlines - how would you guys prefer I handle this? Obviously there's an issue of we can't leave legislation open forever if people are voting on it. I was thinking that once there's quorum on any given vote (i.e. at least 50% of representatives in a house have voted one way or the other) a deadline kicks in, probably like the turn deadline, so that any legislation with a quorum by deadline is taken as having had voting concluded. Thoughts? 'cause if there's no objections or anything, this is what I'mma do.

Just in case and unless told otherwise, I'mma wait to talk about the Air Defense Fighter issue until the Speaker puts it up for debate.
And yes, for the record, I do want to debate it.

EDIT: I think Huojin's idea for deadlines is fine.

Oh my god guys do I have to do everything around here. yeah I'll get to it.

Also jesus christ guys it's like you're not even part of the greatest country on Earth.

I am so lost.

Alright, Huojin, the Fighter bill has been sent to committee, now what?

OYID wrote:Alright, Huojin, the Fighter bill has been sent to committee, now what?

Progressive Moderates say if they want to do anything to the bill, or let it move to voting.


I'm tempted to remove the Committee stuff, is it overcomplicated/annoying to players?

I like it in principle, though in practice it could just be overcomplex as you say. Maybe the different house leaders just decide themselves, along with whoever is responsible for the committee?

If the House leaders and the player responsible for the committee both decide, that adds another person who has to decide, no? I've already streamlined it so each committee only needs one person to sign off on something in an effort to de-clutter things, but I don't know if it's an unnecessarily lengthy step. I mean, it accurately reflects how convoluted passing legislation is, but in some ways it might be better to trade playability.

I like it, Huo, I think the simulation of the Gringo legislative process is so far this game's greatest strength. I vote nay to removing the committee feature (plus we haven't even passed a bill yet let's see how it goes).

Yeah, I really like the convolutedness too. But with that in mind, the extra time it takes to go through things like this also mean we should have a tad more time on a legistlative deadline :V