[CHAMBER]Infrastructure Rejuvenation Bill
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Sebastião do Rego Barros, President of the Chamber of Deputies
If there are no members of the house against such measure, we will now entertain an official vote on this bill.
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Sadly the PL has to vote NO with all 15 of our members
while we know this bill will pass but we can not sit back as the countryside is ignored by parties that simplify rather court the urban popluation
while we know this bill will pass but we can not sit back as the countryside is ignored by parties that simplify rather court the urban popluation
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The Federal Union Party (93) votes Yes on the amended proposal put before this body.
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Your incessant prattling about the various parties 'ignoring' those who inhabit the countryside is not only disingenuous, it is beginning to be personally insulting. We kindly ask you to review the first clause of the modified bill - stating that 5 credits shall go to repairing damage to infrastructure throughout Brazil. That includes the countryside. This body represents the citizens of Brazil, and we will not take kindly to any further attempts to delegitimise this institution of ours.
Unsurprisingly, The Liberal Democratic Party (91) will vote yes.
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Given the current situation the Social Democratic Party (27) will vote Yes.
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we would like to remind the LDP that the VAST majority of utilities are found in the urban areas of our nation, and if any past actions are a guide that's where basically all new investment will go. This bill mostly sidesteps the country side
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Hardly true. The vast majority of road networks, railway lines, bridges, hydropower dams, steamboat ferries and other waterborne transport, telegraph lines, etc. are located rurally. Brazil is a large country.
The Communist Party of Brazil (4) votes yes.
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José Adriano Marrey Júnior, Leader of the Democratic Party
The bickering and untrue claims made by the Liberators are truly a shame for this body, wouldnt you all agree that it almosts seems like the Party in question doesent want to carry out any sort of repair to our infrustructure? The claims that such bill only focuses in urban areas is, as pointed out by our communist 'comrades' and by several other members of this house, simply untrue! Fellow deputies, we tried to show the liberators reason, they refuse to see it, so it is no longer our responsibility to enlighten them of the very obvious truth! The polls that are to come next year will show them of their very dire mistake!
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you got us on transportation, there is a good system for that yet there is extremely limited power, healthcare, education, water and sewage systems, and police stations in the country side. even when there are these systems and utilities they offend are subpar and lacking.
All of the above are things that the urban population takes for granted and the country side for the most part lacks, these are the utilities and services that we want put in.
All of the above are things that the urban population takes for granted and the country side for the most part lacks, these are the utilities and services that we want put in.
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Re: [CHAMBER]Infrastructure Rejuvenation Bill
The Democratic Party (42) votes IN FAVOUR of this bill.
The Socialist Revolutionary Party (3) votes IN FAVOUR of this bill.
The Workers & Peasants Block (2) votes IN FAVOUR of this bill.
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Our good friend Governor Vargas was overjoyed about the speedy democratic process and national priority that the Chamber had shown during the discussion of this bill and is enthusiastic to see this bill pass and vital resources being allocated to where it is needed most. He however brought to us a concern that we will share with the Chamber here, and it would be where exactly these 5 credits will be allocated in each instance.
Rio Grande do Sul, as Governor Vargas is representing and using for his point, has roughly 1 credit worth of damages to repair but it has not faced the same devastation that other cities, or even regions, faced during the civil war. He would like to enter the Chamber to be able to address the issue to each and every available deputy and to suggest ideas to tackle this responsibly. We echo his request and hope the President of the Chamber will be able to accept his offer.
Rio Grande do Sul, as Governor Vargas is representing and using for his point, has roughly 1 credit worth of damages to repair but it has not faced the same devastation that other cities, or even regions, faced during the civil war. He would like to enter the Chamber to be able to address the issue to each and every available deputy and to suggest ideas to tackle this responsibly. We echo his request and hope the President of the Chamber will be able to accept his offer.
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Westar wrote: ↑20:56:11 Wednesday, 11 October, 2017 Our good friend Governor Vargas was overjoyed about the speedy democratic process and national priority that the Chamber had shown during the discussion of this bill and is enthusiastic to see this bill pass and vital resources being allocated to where it is needed most. He however brought to us a concern that we will share with the Chamber here, and it would be where exactly these 5 credits will be allocated in each instance.
Rio Grande do Sul, as Governor Vargas is representing and using for his point, has roughly 1 credit worth of damages to repair but it has not faced the same devastation that other cities, or even regions, faced during the civil war. He would like to enter the Chamber to be able to address the issue to each and every available deputy and to suggest ideas to tackle this responsibly. We echo his request and hope the President of the Chamber will be able to accept his offer.
Sebastião do Rego Barros, President of the Chamber of Deputies
Mr Vargas is more than welcome to come to the Chamber in order to address its members.
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Re: [CHAMBER]Infrastructure Rejuvenation Bill
Greetings most honourable deputies and my fellow Brazilians. Firstly I would like to give my thanks to the President of the Chamber of Deputies Sebastião do Rego Barros for allowing me this opportunity to address those in the Chamber in regards to complications that may arise through the implementation of this bill. I, member of the National Liberal Alliance and governor of Rio Grande do Sul, was at first very impressed by the commitment that this chamber had to the reconstruction and improvement of Brazil, but the more I began to divulge in state affairs I began to realise a very grave issue with the bill at hand.
Firstly, there has been very little debate in where the resources we are devoting will go to. This issue itself could easily be solved with mere debate, but in the meantime we have so far just pledged 5 credits to infrastructure repairs and a further 5 reserved for expansion of infrastructure across Brazil without deciding exactly where they will go and how we intend to oversee the transfer of credits in the treasury to an on-going project. It also adds potential to the already high levels of corruption that our population fears, as 5 credits, or 10 if we examine the full extent of this proposal, will be reserved for a purpose which hasn't been planned out and with the extensive damages, in which the costs to repair exceed the allocated amount, it would be virtually impossible to determine the success of this bill as the many who will be involved in the process could pocket half of the funds they promise to use for Brazil. Secondly, as brought up by the honourable ANL Deputy here, Rio Grande do Sul currently needs repairs amounting to nearly 1 credits worth for the damages incurred over the civil war. Thankfully Rio Grande do Sul was virtually unscathed when compared to other states, but unfortunately other states were indeed in the middle of intense conflict and are currently devastated and would require more than a credit to repair moderate levels of the damage, let alone to finish repairs entirely. This knowledge allows me the confidence to suggest a new proposal for the chamber to consider.
Firstly, there has been very little debate in where the resources we are devoting will go to. This issue itself could easily be solved with mere debate, but in the meantime we have so far just pledged 5 credits to infrastructure repairs and a further 5 reserved for expansion of infrastructure across Brazil without deciding exactly where they will go and how we intend to oversee the transfer of credits in the treasury to an on-going project. It also adds potential to the already high levels of corruption that our population fears, as 5 credits, or 10 if we examine the full extent of this proposal, will be reserved for a purpose which hasn't been planned out and with the extensive damages, in which the costs to repair exceed the allocated amount, it would be virtually impossible to determine the success of this bill as the many who will be involved in the process could pocket half of the funds they promise to use for Brazil. Secondly, as brought up by the honourable ANL Deputy here, Rio Grande do Sul currently needs repairs amounting to nearly 1 credits worth for the damages incurred over the civil war. Thankfully Rio Grande do Sul was virtually unscathed when compared to other states, but unfortunately other states were indeed in the middle of intense conflict and are currently devastated and would require more than a credit to repair moderate levels of the damage, let alone to finish repairs entirely. This knowledge allows me the confidence to suggest a new proposal for the chamber to consider.
- Governors should find the means to commit resources to repairs. Rio Grande do Sul is able to complete repairs and undergo an infrastructure programme alone without the need for Federal assistance, and we would implore that other states also seek this route, especially the more wealthy states that can afford to do so.
- States without the means to complete repairs to an adequate level will take a proportional amount from the 5 credits that we pledge to this endeavour.
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Sebastião do Rego Barros, President of the Chamber of Deputies
Thank you, Mr Vargas. I would now like to urge the members of the house to resume debate on this bill, taking into account the words and concerns raised by Governor Vargas.
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(Preface, unless I misunderstood Luc, 5c should cover all damages. Maybe he meant only in my state but I doubt it.)
While the concerns raised by Mr Vargas are understandable, we believe that his first point of argument isn't appropriate for this chamber. Corruption is a serious issue, to be sure, but the line of thinking Mr Vargas has adopted leads us to understand that this body should no longer be approving of any projects/bills like this one - as "corruption" could end up rendering the money wasted.
Regarding his second point, whilst unorthodox - we firmly believe that this should be done through federal funds. Governmental authority has already been severely damaged - indeed, certain groups within this chamber hold allegiances to parties with private militias - and this bill would be the first step in reconstructing this authority. There is already a divide in this nation, and we do not believe that reinforcing this divide by being selective with federal funding is the way to go. A precedent will be set whereby simply because a state is rich, it should not be deserving of federal funds, or indeed should not use federal funds.
Our own studies have concluded that it would cost a total of 5 credits to repair damages incurred in the civil war, across the entirety of Brazil, and would take around a year to complete. Government aid in repairing damages incurred in a civil war should not be selective based on wealth of a particular state. The 5 credits should cover all costs.
However, the point about there being a lack of specifics in where the infrastructure credits should be spent. We apologize for our lack of detail in this regard, and would be happy to open further discussion on the issue since we imagine there are a lot of different views on where this money should go.
While the concerns raised by Mr Vargas are understandable, we believe that his first point of argument isn't appropriate for this chamber. Corruption is a serious issue, to be sure, but the line of thinking Mr Vargas has adopted leads us to understand that this body should no longer be approving of any projects/bills like this one - as "corruption" could end up rendering the money wasted.
Regarding his second point, whilst unorthodox - we firmly believe that this should be done through federal funds. Governmental authority has already been severely damaged - indeed, certain groups within this chamber hold allegiances to parties with private militias - and this bill would be the first step in reconstructing this authority. There is already a divide in this nation, and we do not believe that reinforcing this divide by being selective with federal funding is the way to go. A precedent will be set whereby simply because a state is rich, it should not be deserving of federal funds, or indeed should not use federal funds.
Our own studies have concluded that it would cost a total of 5 credits to repair damages incurred in the civil war, across the entirety of Brazil, and would take around a year to complete. Government aid in repairing damages incurred in a civil war should not be selective based on wealth of a particular state. The 5 credits should cover all costs.
However, the point about there being a lack of specifics in where the infrastructure credits should be spent. We apologize for our lack of detail in this regard, and would be happy to open further discussion on the issue since we imagine there are a lot of different views on where this money should go.